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  • #157904

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    After 7pm this page will give results as they come in.

    http://www.athensnews.gr/content/55344

  • #190957

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    The unfair part is that New Democracy as first party even though only slightly ahead of Syriza, gets GIVEN 50 seats for free, although the real results are only a few percentage points apart from second place Syriza. You can bet that law was put in place by the two main parties to ensure their constant survival.

    Pity about the Neo Nazi Golden Dawn party getting so many votes. I was shocked at pictures of some of their members. Big guys with black T shirts and square shaved heads of the skinhead variety.They look like thugs. I see the BBC has also branded them as Neo Nazis.

    • #220687

      SandT
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      Hoplite

      Interesting to see your comment from 2012 when I looked at this thread – the boot is on the other foot now!  Not such a bad idea really as it helps the leading party to achieve majority in a government that always has a mixture of minor parties too.

  • #190958

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Here are the official results from the Ministry…clcik on the English flag

    ">http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012a/public/index.html#{%22cls%22:%22main%22,%22params%22:{}}
    Sorry I can’t get the link to go blue so just copy paste it

    http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012a/public/index.html#{%22cls%22:%22main%22,%22params%22:{}}

  • #190959

    DayGloScooter
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    Neophyte

    @kiwi wrote:

    You can bet that law was put in place by the two main parties to ensure their constant survival.

    And those 50 seats are appointed from the central list, not democratically elected, so that the leadership can hand out parliamentary seats as political favours. It’s all utterly corrupt.

    What’s the betting that the big parties try to change that law, now that there’s a chance of someone else getting the 50 bonus?

  • #190960

    kolofarthos
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    Homeric

    Pity about the Neo Nazi Golden Dawn party getting so many votes. I was shocked at pictures of some of their members. Big guys with black T shirts and square shaved heads of the skinhead variety

    oh, Oh, OH! I though it was a good idea but didn’t realise it was not a Goldie Hawn party people were voting for…..

  • #190961

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    God knows what will happen now, you can imagine how angry people are who have deliberately voted Syriza to get rid of the two main parties who now with only about a 3% margin between them get only 50 seats while the ND who lost and would not have had enough seats to govern, and still don’t, get 111. Haven’t looked at the morning results yet but as of last night that was the case.

    That GD leader…sounds like his education is up to kindergarten level, plus rude and arrogant. He walked into the band of reporters and demanded they stand up for him as he came into the room. The man really thinks he is Hitler and I fear for Greece if those thugs have some power. They are behind a lot of the violence seen at rallies and have the old mentality of if you are Left, you are worth chasing and beating etc. Their line is very much like the Papadopoulos era of the Junta and are to be feared.

    I just looked at the results, now the margin is 2%! ND 108 seats – Syriza 52 so since last night ND lost seats and Syriza is up. CRAZY!

  • #190962

    The Grocer
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    Oracle

    I fear if Golden Dawn ever got any substantial support / power it would see the sun setting for good in Greece for us ex-pats !

  • #190963

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Understand your point grocer but their main target is anyone with dark skin and non European. (Think Arian race). Although they try to distance themselves from Nazis even their anthem is similar and so are the salutes. Kalamata has a lot of them. I always think that people who vote for such radicals are either bought votes, or too thick to consider deeply about the repercussions of having skinhead thugs in parliament. They targetted a lot of the naive older generation.

  • #190964

    nimbus
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    Homeric

    Strikes me that a lot of Nikolaos Mihaloliakos policies particularly as regards to uncontrolled immigration are very similar to the U K s National Front’s manifesto. “The National Front advocates a total ban on any further non-White immigration into Britain, and the launching of a phased plan of repatriation for all coloured immigrants.” undoubtedly the increasing support here in Greece for the Golden Dawn party is a reflection of the increasing support that the N/F is experiencing in the UK and for all of the same reasons …a succession of governments who were too weak to admit that the writing on the wall was right, it’s too late for the UK to rectify the errors of the past, but here in Greece it is still possible and the prospect frightens me to death.

  • #190965

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Stop worrying nimbus. Here is a clue. When the New Dawn’s illustrious leader walked into the room of journalists, he demanded that they stand up in his honour. He then proceeded to tell them ‘Veni, Vidi, Vici… only he pronounced the vici as Vicky. The man is clueless, and has the education of a caterpillar ( no insult to caterpillers). He is not respected by the media who he badly needs, and I can guarantee that once insitu in parliament, he will be a laughing stock and his outbursts and idiotic rhetoric will soon be seen for what they are.

    The man has the distinct qualification of being an Ignoranus – a person who is both stupid and an asshole.

  • #190966

    sundodger
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    Homeric

    Well I have my head shaved now & wear black T shirts…. But my trousers are red & shoes are blue suede, socks I suppose had better be pink ! :))

  • #190967

    KP
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    Aristotelic

    I notice that the lists show ‘Communist Party’ and ‘KKE’ as separate entities. I thought that KKE is the Communist party? What are the differences?

  • #190968

    Bandit
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    Neophyte

    @KP wrote:

    I notice that the lists show ‘Communist Party’ and ‘KKE’ as separate entities. I thought that KKE is the Communist party? What are the differences?

    No K`s or E`s in communist party KP.. :roll: :roll:
    Regards,
    Bandit. 😈

  • #190969

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    KKE is definitely the one and only Communist Party. There must be some mistake. 😳 But oops there are other similar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_legislative_election,_2012 list at the bottom.

    Just saw this in the Telegraph. ‘Germany and the European Union have warned Francois Hollande, France’s new Socialist president, that he will not permitted to renegotiate a eurozone austerity treaty despite its policies being rejected by French voters.’

    That puts us in a similar position because the ‘resistance parties’ are being voted in on the premise that they can negotiate us out of the mnemonio or get rid of it. the question is…are the Germans shouting to the French so the Greeks can hear?

  • #190970

    nimbus
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    Homeric
  • #190971

    Angela
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    Neophyte

    As well as the KKE we all know and love, there are another two communist parties: Communist Party of Greece Marxist-Leninist (KKE M-L) and Marxist–Leninist Communist Party of Greece (M-L KKE). KKE M-L and M-L KKE managed to cooperate in this election.

    No, I am not making this up.

  • #190972

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Probably the worst and saddest thing I heard today was that half of the Police Force voted Chrisi Avgi (Golden Dawn) the nazist extremist party with the steroid taking, black t shirted zombie thugs.

    It certainly explains all the rumours about police being part of the hooded ones with clubs who beat innocent protesters at rallies, including cameramen and obviously marked journalists. Their are many films available on You Tube showing the hoodies walking over to behind police barricades. They are the reason that the fires and destruction continue without anyone getting arrested.

    I feel disgust that racism and violence is acceptable in any police force. It explains why when an immigrant was being beaten by the GD thugs, and watching citizens asked the police who were standing there grinning, why they did not intervene…the response of the police was ‘are you being attacked…no, so shut up.’

    It explains why a few of the journalists who report on these criminals get beaten up and nobody is ever conveniently around to help them. When the police force is no longer a protector of EVERY citizen anarchy will rise.

    Imagine, tourists of all colour are coming to Greece to spend their money and holiday. Will they come after hearing this type of report? Can Greece afford to have a Police Force that has one eye closed.

    Outside the University in Athens the black sellers were rounded up by police, and near them was a visiting dark skinned lecturer who was also taken in (wrong colour). In any other country that person could sue the police for wrongful detainment. In Greece…wet bus ticket punishment is applied.

    Am sure Poppy will come up with all the links of these stories.

  • #190973

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic
  • #190974

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Date set for new elections is June 17th unless that changes today. What I think is interesting is that Syriza even if it became the first party last election, could not be given the 50 bonus seats because they are seen as a coalition of smaller parties. To remedy this, it is said they will now register as one party, which means if they beat ND in the new elections, then they will be able to receive the 50 bonus seats.

    Now ND are saying they may join with a few of the smaller right wing parties to boost their chances of election. This will also cause the same problem that Syriza had, because if they join and don’t register as one party, they won’t be able to claim the 50 seat either.

    The 50 seat bonus law should be scrapped as it is undemocratic. IMH overopinionated O.

    With summer in full swing in June, I wonder what sort of turnout these elections will have and the effects of this on the outcome.

  • #190975

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Page for the election results, English flag at bottom left

    http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012b/public/index.html#{“cls”:”main”,”params”:{}}

    The url is not coming out as a link, don’t know why, so just copy paste the entire line

    http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012b/public/index.html#{“cls”:”main”,”params”:{}}

    For anyone overseas that understands Greek the main TV channels are on http://www.kanalia.eu

  • #190976

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic
  • #190977

    kolofarthos
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    Homeric

    Putin denies 3B€ deal regarding gas pipeline…..so I guess it must be true ic_wink

  • #190978

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-19/despite-urges-and-threats-greece-remains-defiant-wont-budge-red-lines-even-russia-de

    RT had a very good doco on Greece last night by a German journalist. It clearly showed the dirty game Europe played and how they knew the results of austerity would kill the poor and let the rich survive. Worth watching if it’s available on their webpage.

  • #190979

    KP
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    Aristotelic

    It’s a tough call as to whether RT or the BBC have the most trustworthy reporting? :roll:
    Both are works of imagination and often outright fiction!

  • #215683

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Democracy has spoken with a loud roar. Tsipras wins with 155 seats. At least now Brussels may take him more seriously. Holande is coming to Athens. I remember a time when he snubbed him and refused to talk with him.

    Interesting note that the Nazi party Golden Dawn has increased considerably in Ko and Mykonos where there is a refugee problem. I guess their threat to make soap of the refugees was appealing. Says a lot about human nature.

  • #215684

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Edit….I meant 155 seats combined with Anel.

    sjs when I tried to edit and clicked the edit button, it keeps taking me to the board index. Please fix.

  • #220751

    kiwi
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    Aristotelic

    Sand  welcome to the forum, although am not sure how you managed to squeeze in between posts rather than on the end of the thread. The site is till being tweaked.

    I agree it’s good to see a mix of parties now. Tsipras seems to be getting good press at the moment. Let’s see what happens next as early days yet. I will be happy if they follow up the LeGarde list of elite tax evaders.

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